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The Global Warming Thread

In honour of the light bulb being officially banned and new information on how hot the earth has been this year mean i'm starting a global warming / environment awareness thread. I could have done this in response to the earlier topics in the TV is rubbish thread about that program saying it's not human's fault but it is a separate topic so here we go.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6456897.stm

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Channel 4.....make sure you put it out once your done otherwise the earth will heat up.
Dave

While I think humans are contibuting towards global warming, I think it's funny that there appears to be the backlash coming, as it does with everything from the Arctic Monkeys to Deal or No Deal
People rave about something for ages and then for practically no reason, everyone appears to change their point of view quite quickly. The amount of times I've seen things slagging off the idea of global warming is a bit weird

But don't worry global warming, I believe in you
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The hole in the ozone layer is a classic example. People said it was the end of the world and we had gone too far in our human ways but everyone changed their CS gas emmisions and now it is fixed. It showed 3 things;

- We are capable of tackling a huge envrionmental problem
- We DO affect our atmosphere and earth
- We don't have to compensate on our living by helping the environment or being envrionmentally friendly
Louis

from the article

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said El Nino, a seasonal warming of parts of the Pacific Ocean, had also contributed to the warmth.

But it did not see the high temperature as evidence of man-made global warming.
Louis

im still not convinced that human activity causes global warming
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so all those red bars of temp above average is just a co-incidence, just like the CO2 released into the atmosphere is just as high?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6321351.stm
Dave

One of the things I think kind of made sense on that Channel 4 show was when it said that the oceans don't warm up all at once
I know this is the least sciencey thing I have ever said but the Earth is fucking massive, like a vast patchwork of terrain and seas and things so global warming must effect different parts at different speeds, but the billions of tonnes of crap we stick in the sky really can't help
Louis

ok, look at the 1880s when the industrial revolution was at its height, the average temperature was below average, this is when most nations were spewing out high levels of co2. I firmly believe its the planet's natural process of heating up. Thats my opinion
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Louis wrote:
ok, look at the 1880s when the industrial revolution was at its height, the average temperature was below average, this is when most nations were spewing out high levels of co2. I firmly believe its the planet's natural process of heating up. Thats my opinion


population on the earth then?

about 30 million

population of the earth today?

10 billion?

there is FAAAARR more co2 put into the atmosphere today, cars, planes, boats, less flora and fauna turning the co2 into o2!
Dave

Only a few countires participated in the Industrial Revolution then as well

That makes it sound like a school Sports Day

And the population is 6 billion That cock who doesn't like Monty Python :P
Louis

no no no, there was around 1.6 billion in the world in 1880 compared to 6.6 billion today.
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ok fine, but more population, FAR more co2, hotter earth.
Louis

id like to hear other viewpoints of people because were going round in circles here Smile
Dave

Yeah but the people didn't put CO2 in the atmosphere back then did they? They had no cars, planes, fridges etc- it was just factories in a few countries which is nothing compared to nowadays
Louis

the thing is, as little as 20 years ago, people were talking about global cooling as the big problem for the earth. and there were as many planes and factories around then as now.
Dave

Haha does anybody else remember learning about global warming in school when we were told that in about two months the Earth would look like Waterworld? I couldn't wait
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Louis wrote:
the thing is, as little as 20 years ago, people were talking about global cooling as the big problem for the earth. and there were as many planes and factories around then as now.


That's horseshit and you know it, there's far more factories and planes now, increased economies in the western and thrid world, more airports, more terminals, run ways, FAR FAR FAR more.

Look at this CO2 graph to see how much CO2 WE have put in the atmosphere, notice the correlation between temp and CO2



and more recent times



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_History_and_Flux-2.png
Louis

graphs can manipulated to suit any issue, until i see concrete evidence, instead of all this hot air that is being spread around at the moment, then my opinion remains firm that this is a natural cycle in the life of the earth.
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the graphs ARE evidence, ACTUAL readings of the earth's temperature and CO2 levels using the most highly accurate measurements
Dave

Louis wrote:
graphs can be manipulated to suit any issue


Haha that's a great statement

Let's turn it round the other way then Louis. Can you present any concrete evidence to suggest your side of the argument? Otherwise I'm afraid That cock who doesn't like Monty Python :P will have you by the short and curlies
StinkyP

Just draw a graph that blames it all on That cock who doesn't like Monty Python :P.
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Dave wrote:
Can you present any concrete evidence to suggest your side of the argument? Otherwise I'm afraid That cock who doesn't like Monty Python :P will have you by the short and curlies


YEAH!
Gibbo

Louis get your head out of the sand. This is not the natural cycle of the Earth! Yes the planet goes through stages of hotter and colder climates but that doesn't mean it's cyclical, and even if it is then the introduction of millions of tonnes of greenhouse gases and CO2 into the atmosphere will be added to the existing build-up and make it worse. It's like a toilet after you've flushed it: the water in the tank slowly builds up again on it's own until it's full. Fine, all nice and natural. If you pour a kettle full of water into it when it's filling up, it overflows and covers your feet in stinky toilet water. Build up and dispersal of gases MAY be a natural cycle but what we're putting into the atmosphere is NOT.

Very few scientists dispute global warming these days. Doesn't make it fact but it makes it rather more likely than not.
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Gibbo wrote:
cyclical


I stopped reading after this word and thought about bicycles, I'm sure its a valid point.
Dave

Gibbo wrote:
it overflows and covers your feet in stinky toilet water


There's no dirty toilet water in the cistern

I like how this urgent issue has been reduced to talk about bikes and toilets, god bless the forum
Louis

Gibbo wrote:
Louis get your head out of the sand. This is not the natural cycle of the Earth! Yes the planet goes through stages of hotter and colder climates but that doesn't mean it's cyclical, and even if it is then the introduction of millions of tonnes of greenhouse gases and CO2 into the atmosphere will be added to the existing build-up and make it worse. It's like a toilet after you've flushed it: the water in the tank slowly builds up again on it's own until it's full. Fine, all nice and natural. If you pour a kettle full of water into it when it's filling up, it overflows and covers your feet in stinky toilet water. Build up and dispersal of gases MAY be a natural cycle but what we're putting into the atmosphere is NOT.

Very few scientists dispute global warming these days. Doesn't make it fact but it makes it rather more likely than not.


excuse me, but i think i am entitled to have my own opinion on this issue, as we all are.
Major Neil

you are indeed. I agree on Gibbos point about the fact that there is a natural cycle of climate change but we are making it more dramatic for difinite,. those graphs are evidence! There is a clear correlation between CO2 increase and temperature!

Also did you know that there has been a dramatic increase in the amount of mercury in the atmosphere over the past 20years. This is due to cremations!! The filings in the bodies gnashers have been left in when they have been burned and as the filings are made from a compound of mecrury and also people becoming increasingly worried with denture care, the amount of it released into the atmoshere is increasing!haha

and although that has nothing to do with global warming, I can't help but think that if it is possible to detect increases in merecury in the atmoshere(which is being released into the environment at much much much x loads of times less than CO2 is) then I believe the accuracy of results in terms of C02 increase must be very accurate hence my confidence in the evidence put before me in terms of carbon emmisions and global warming.
Major Neil

Louis wrote:
no no no, there was around 1.6 billion in the world in 1880 compared to 6.6 billion today.


just going to pick some things out. I am not picking on you though louis!!

the population is 6 times it was!!! and not just 6 times 2... 6 times 1 billion!! that is an unbelievably big rise in population! And as Dave said, only a few countries were involved in the industrial revolution and there were much less factories than today. also as it would have been the start of increase in CO2 emmisions.. it wouldn't increase immediately, it is a gradual process. or at least it would have been then. Now with the population and incredible and ridiculous industrial expansion it is now speeding up!!
Major Neil

Louis wrote:
until i see concrete evidence, instead of all this hot air that is being spread around at the moment,


aha!! so u admit it!! heehee
Major Neil

Look at this CO2 graph to see how much CO2 WE have put in the atmosphere, notice the correlation between temp and CO2



This graph is good evidence because it shows the natural cycle of temperature over thousands of years and then the dramatic increase beyond what it has ever been before more recently!
Major Neil

Dave wrote:
There's no dirty toilet water in the cistern


Oxford always like to do things different don't they?!! eeee!!
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Major Neil wrote:

Also did you know that there has been a dramatic increase in the amount of mercury in the atmosphere over the past 20years. This is due to cremations!! The filings in the bodies gnashers have been left in when they have been burned and as the filings are made from a compound of mecrury and also people becoming increasingly worried with denture care, the amount of it released into the atmoshere is increasing!haha


This is quite funny, can you imagine the government setting a "cremation quota" due to global warming. "I'm sorry mrs jefferson we'll have to cremate your husband next week because we filled our quota for this week"

Another bone I'd like to pick is the fact that when ice melts the sun's rays get absorbed more and more into the oceans and earth, so we are in a downwad spiral from the ice melting and then the earth getting warmer.
Dave

Major Neil wrote:

there has been a dramatic increase in the amount of mercury in the atmosphere over the past 20years.


That's also because I burn thermometers
Louis

Major Neil wrote:
Louis wrote:
until i see concrete evidence, instead of all this hot air that is being spread around at the moment,


aha!! so u admit it!! heehee


thats a global warming joke, glad u spotted it hehe
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Louis wrote:

excuse me, but i think i am entitled to have my own opinion on this issue, as we all are.


fair enough, its just a rubbish opinion though.
Louis

Smile
Dave

Hahaha, and with one genius swoop, That cock who doesn't like Monty Python :P solves the debate on this thread
Louis

yep its all over, lets not argue, its not nice Rolling Eyes
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your just out voted
Louis

so were those against iraq, but look who was right (sorry i couldnt resist)
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don't even get me started on iraq!
Louis

haha, ok
Dave

Let me at 'im! Let me at 'im!
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this site is quite useful, Louis these are FACTS

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011

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